>> jon: what is -- "the dude and the zen master" i assumed you were the zen master. who is this other guy. >> bernie glassman who is the real thing. he is the zen master. >> jon: bernie glassman. >> he's one of you guys, yeah. >> jon: zen master. >> top of the line. top of the line. >> jon: what is -- for someone who introduces a moment zen every day, i know very little about it. >> ha, ha. that's right. >> jon: how do you become a master. is it a philosophy, a religion, a way of life. >> to be a master, you've got to study with a master and then he says, tag, you're it. >> jon: it's really not an accredititied situation. how do you know he's a master. does he say i'm the zen master and you're like, all right. >> he's got. i'll tell you how i know. >> jon: okay. >> i'm going to make you a zen master now and perhaps you can do this on your moment of zen. >> jon: i'd like that.